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		<title>The doc says: &#8220;You got a problem!&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neat letter to the Sydney Morning Herald (Aug 17):
I&#8217;m not a climate scientist per se, but I am a senior Australian scientist (biologist) with interests and expertise in environmental science. Reading Miranda Devine&#8217;s piece ( &#8221;Bring it on, Labor, pull that trigger&#8221;, August 15-16), it occurred to me that in the climate change debate there [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=152&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Neat letter to the Sydney Morning Herald (Aug 17):</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m not a climate scientist per se, but I am a senior Australian scientist (biologist) with interests and expertise in environmental science. Reading Miranda Devine&#8217;s piece ( &#8221;Bring it on, Labor, pull that trigger&#8221;, August 15-16), it occurred to me that in the climate change debate there are serious misconceptions about the way science actually works. So let&#8217;s shift the context from climate change to medicine.</p>
<p>Your health declines. You see 10 specialists and nine tell you that you have a serious, complex medical condition that requires surgery.</p>
<p>The 10th says you are fine and there is no need to do anything. You follow the advice of the 10th and do nothing for a year. Your health does not improve. You go back to see the specialists, and nine tell you that the condition is worse and you need the surgery urgently. The 10th still says you don&#8217;t need to do anything and in fact argues that the condition is not real. What would you do?</p>
<p>This is exactly the state of play in climate science. The vast majority of specialists in the field say we have a major problem, that it is caused by humans, and it is probably getting worse. This is not the same as &#8221;proof&#8221;. It is difficult if not impossible to &#8221;prove&#8221; complex environmental (or many other) scientific theories. Climate change science is not a high school geometry problem.</p>
<p>Instead what happens is that evidence is gathered that supports a theory, alternative explanations are considered and discounted on the evidence, and a consensus view emerges. As a consequence of this process the overall consensus on human-induced climate change is now quite strong among experts in the field. Thus comments by Senator Fielding or others of like mind who deny climate change, or the need for us to act, on the basis that &#8221;the science is unproven&#8221; or &#8216;&#8217;science does not work by consensus&#8221; are misleading. They do not reflect how most science actually works.</p>
<p>I suspect my comments may actually be used to argue against the reality of climate change (&#8221;Senior scientist says climate change not proven!&#8221;). In response I go back to my parable. Your health or even your life is on the line and nine of 10 specialists propose a diagnosis and subsequent course of action. What would you do?</p>
<p><strong>Professor Peter Steinberg</strong> Mosman</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a good analogy I think. It makes me stand back and think, I might <em>want</em> to believe the advice of the tenth specialist. But it&#8217;s my health, and I&#8217;ll act if I need to.</p>
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		<title>Cooling on Plimer</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the Plimer/Monbiot &#8216;wrestle&#8217; is off to bumpy start.
Before jumping in, just a brief word about George Monbiot, since I had an explore of Ian Plimer in a previous post. Monbiot is a journalist, not a scientist, and quick to say so. He is lower on the credibility spectrum than Plimer (who himself is among [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=147&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>So the Plimer/Monbiot &#8216;wrestle&#8217; is off to bumpy start.</p>
<p>Before jumping in, just a brief word about George Monbiot, since I had an explore of Ian Plimer in a previous post. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot">Monbiot</a> is a journalist, not a scientist, and quick to say so. He is lower on<a href="http://climatesight.org/the-credibility-spectrum/"> the credibility spectrum</a> than Plimer (who himself is among the science community, but not a specialist in climate study). So you don&#8217;t trust what he says on his own authority. Nor is that his aim &#8211; he says he aims to clearly communicate what he comes across from climate experts. Nothing wrong with that &#8211; it is how cultural communication takes place. But he does come from a particular political persuasion &#8211; he has always been connected with protest movements, even having been involved with the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RESPECT_The_Unity_Coalition">Respect</a> party in the UK. He has a worldview that comes to the fore in what he writes. As with Plimer, we should see the worldview behind the arguments, but still judge the arguments for their truth and coherence.</p>
<p><strong>Pre-fight</strong></p>
<p>Plimer writes <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589794729/ref=s9_simb_gw_xi_s3_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-1&amp;pf_rd_r=1X634APFZHR11GN7W0V1&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=470938131&amp;pf_rd_i=507846">a book</a>, critiquing climate science findings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/jul/09/george-monbiot-ian-plimer">Monbiot reports criticism</a> of the book and adds his own summary.</p>
<p>Plimer challenges Monbiot to debate the science. (I can&#8217;t find a primary source for that from Plimer, but Monbiot&#8217;s one-sided account is <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/aug/03/ian-plimer-climate-change-denial">here</a>.)</p>
<p>Monbiot originally turned down the challenge, but then accepted it, with a condition: that as well as a live debate there would also be a written, on-line debate, so that references could be checked and arguments could be parsed more slowly, point by point.</p>
<p>Plimer originally turned down that challenge, but then accepted it.</p>
<p><strong>Round 1</strong></p>
<p>Monbiot posed <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/aug/05/climate-change-scepticism">11 questions</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Round&#8230; 1a</strong></p>
<p>Plimer responded with <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/aug/12/climate-change-climate-change-scepticism">13 questions</a>.</p>
<p>On the surface it sounds fair, although it would have been good to see Plimer&#8217;s answers at the same time as he raised questions. But let&#8217;s have a look at the <em>kind</em> of questions, and the <em>kind</em> of answers they are looking for. To do that, I&#8217;ll drop out the detail of the questions and look at their form.</p>
<p>Monbiot&#8217;s questions</p>
<ol>
<li>You make a claim of temperature dropping based on data from HadCRUT (measuring the world climate). But the data says otherwise. What gives? How did you calculate a different outcome?</li>
<li>There is an important graph in your book with no source. What is the source? Who&#8217;s figures are they?</li>
<li>You make this important claim without a reference. What is your source?</li>
<li>You seem to make a claim about global temperature based on data for the USA alone. What gives? Did you mean to?</li>
<li>You make a claim without a reference. What is your source? Your claim seems to contradict evidence. What gives?</li>
<li>You make a claim without a reference. What is your source?</li>
<li>Your claim about water vapour is without a reference, and seems to lead to nonsense results. What gives, and what&#8217;s your source?</li>
<li>You seem to have misrepresented a scientific paper, getting opposite implications. What gives?</li>
<li>You provide no reference for a claim that seems to stand against what a body says about its own work. What gives? What is your reference?</li>
<li>You make a claim without a reference. What is your source?</li>
<li>You make a claim without a reference. What is your source?</li>
</ol>
<p>You can see the pattern. Generally, something you have written which is not referenced. Please provide the reference so that it can be tested. More strongly, without the reference, the claim is just an assertion with little value as a claim to truth.</p>
<p>Now, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/aug/12/climate-change-climate-change-scepticism">Plimer&#8217;s questions</a>. Well, I was about to start, but they aren&#8217;t really questions. They are tasks. Plimer has set a series of tasks.</p>
<ol>
<li>Use several data sources to propose past earth temperatures. Show all calculations and justify your assumptions.</li>
<li>Calculate gas results from a large group of volcanic sources&#8230; Reference and justify all assumptions.</li>
<li>From first principles, calculate&#8230; Justify all assumptions.</li>
<li>Calculate the changes in&#8230; Justify all assumptions.</li>
<li>Calculate forcings of temperature &#8230; Justify all assumptions and show all calculations.</li>
<li>From a large range of data, demonstrate numerically that&#8230;</li>
</ol>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m not going to continue. You can see the pattern.</p>
<p>The two sets of questions (and you really should go and take a look at Plimer&#8217;s!) have very different qualities. Plimer wins the prize for &#8217;sciencey&#8217; sounding questions. But that misses the point. Monbiot&#8217;s were sharp and focussed. Most could be answered in a line or two, some would need a couple of paragraphs. Plimers are 13 research projects. I&#8217;m trying to be fair and open to debate, but that is just silly. It makes Plimer seem like a self-important prat. Maybe he isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Monbiot says that he is simply not the person to address the questions. Fair enough, he is a journalist. Interestingly, there is a group of scientists who have set up a project to respond to the Plimer questions. Maybe that is a good thing, as at least it could get the debate going. I hope that Plimer gets his team together to answer the simple reference questions. Then we will be getting somewhere!</p>
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		<title>Plimer&#8217;s position in public debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever you think of Ian Plimer&#8217;s book Heaven and Earth, you&#8217;ve got to admit that the good doctor puts himself in some interesting spots in public debate. He came onto my radar in the 1980s as an outspoken critic of creationism. If a creationist delegation wanted to debate the &#8217;science&#8217; of their position, Plimer would [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=137&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Whatever you think of Ian Plimer&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Heaven-Earth-Warming-Missing-Science/dp/1589794729/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1249821206&amp;sr=8-1"><em>Heaven and Earth</em></a>, you&#8217;ve got to admit that the good doctor puts himself in some interesting spots in public debate. He came onto my radar in the 1980s as an outspoken critic of creationism. If a creationist delegation wanted to debate the &#8217;science&#8217; of their position, Plimer would step up to the plate. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B1CE63C0993A263A&amp;search_query=Dr+Ian+Plimer+vs+Dr+Duane+Gish+-+1988+Sydney+Debate">There was a colourful discourse</a> (it wasn&#8217;t really a debate) between Plimer and a creationist named Duane Gish held in Sydney in 1988. There is a series of 16 clips, and you catch some of the Plimer style here&#8230;</p>
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<p>Here he is speaking against what mainstream science would regard as a pseudo-science. Most of the scientific community would have put their voice on the same side, <a href="http://www.discord.org/~lippard/hnta.html">if not with the same rhetoric</a>.</p>
<p>Now 20 years later, curiously, he places himself against the broad scientific point of view with regard to the causes of global warming. You can see clips from one of his talks <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIpo2Jhi3I0">here</a>.<br />
And he is finding himself the target of the<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/04/the_science_is_missing_from_ia.php"> same kind of critique</a> as he dished out himself in earlier times. (I&#8217;m sure he wouldn&#8217;t consider it the same kind of critique!)</p>
<p>Interesting. He is somebody attracted to putting forward contrary positions. How does he make sense of his two apparently contrasting opponents? Well, he brings them both together by saying that the Global Warming movement is a new fundamentalist religion:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/aug/05/climate-change-scepticism">Here&#8217;s one thread</a> of discussion I&#8217;ll be following up on. George Monbiot has challenged Ian Plimer to two debates &#8211; one live, and one on-line by discussion of a short series of focussed questions. It&#8217;s those questions I&#8217;ll be watching, as they are very clear, and it should be easy enough to see if the answers are direct, or evasive. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here we go.

For now we don&#8217;t need more detail than this overall view. It is the graph made famous by Al Gore&#8217;s An Inconvenient Truth. It was also a defining feature of the IPCC 2001 climate report.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here we go.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-130" title="300px-Hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_large" src="http://moreheatthanlight.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/300px-hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_large.jpg?w=300&#038;h=212" alt="300px-Hockey_stick_chart_ipcc_large" width="300" height="212" /></p>
<p>For now we don&#8217;t need more detail than this overall view. It is the graph made famous by Al Gore&#8217;s <em>An Inconvenient Truth</em>. It was also a defining feature of the IPCC 2001 climate report.</p>
<p>Why is it such a big deal? I think it is because it tells such a clear and simple story. It says:</p>
<blockquote><p>over the past millennium the global climate has been pretty stable&#8230; until about a hundred years ago. Since then it has shot up well above levels seen in more than 1000 years. It represents the best of scientific knowledge, a consensus among world leaders in this field of study.</p></blockquote>
<p>The audience of this message became&#8230; everyone.</p>
<p>It turns out that things aren&#8217;t so simple. The graph is inaccurate. That was proposed by <a title="Stephen McIntyre" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_McIntyre">Stephen McIntyre</a> and <a title="Ross McKitrick" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_McKitrick">Ross McKitrick</a>.</p>
<p>Before we start to look at the arguments for or against the graph, let&#8217;s see how the critique is framed. McIntyre uses a model that positions the hockey stick graph: the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X">Bre-X fraud</a> of the 1990s. The Bre-X fraud was the biggest mining scandal of all time. Briefly (and sorry for the simplification), a mining company reported that it was sitting on the biggest gold deposit ever found, at a site in Indonesia. An independent company estimated the the apparently huge resource, and the share price shot up. Could $20million exploration investment, 2 years work by 15 geologists and 7 drill rigs be wrong? Few were <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?p=28&amp;phpMyAdmin=274c45c8cc4ct3b44e627">skeptical</a>. But eventually the fraud became clear and the stock crashed. Now the model of Bre-X is not used directly &#8211; he is not saying that the hockey stick represents fraud. Rather, it is simply juxtaposed: see, this kind of thing happens, in our world, in our time. Don&#8217;t be fooled again &#8211; check before you invest!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way we build project paradigm &#8211; the mental model keeps the project on target. Which is interesting to keep in mind as over future posts we look through the comings and goings of the debate over the graph.</p>
<p>The other way I&#8217;d like to frame the exploration is through the story that the graph tells. There is double potency in that simple story, presented by an authoritative group. It is potent because it can convey a message very powerfully to a wide public (as it has). However, the other side of that potency is the strength of disillusionment that it makes possible. It becomes a powerful skeptical weapon if doubt is cast on the science behind it. The big message for a skeptical public can be:</p>
<blockquote><p>if the scientists can&#8217;t be trusted with such a simple message as this, how can they be trusted with the more difficult and subtle parts of the climate argument?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm. We shall see.</p>
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		<title>plans</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#8217;ve been a bit quiet, because I&#8217;m planning what to work on. I&#8217;m realising that as I nose my way around the field I&#8217;m leaving subjects somewhat unexplored and unfinished. Well, not that anything is ever &#8216;finished&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s more that it is a conversation in which there is more distance to travel.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Well, I&#8217;ve been a bit quiet, because I&#8217;m planning what to work on. I&#8217;m realising that as I nose my way around the field I&#8217;m leaving subjects somewhat unexplored and unfinished. Well, not that anything is ever &#8216;finished&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s more that it is a conversation in which there is more distance to travel.</p>
<p>So in part I&#8217;m just noting these down so that I don&#8217;t forget them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not forgetting that Senator Fielding asked 3 questions, and that I&#8217;ve only looked a little at one of them. I&#8217;m really interested in the whole area of the ancient climate. We move out of the realm of direct instrument measurements of temperature, and into the realm of estimates based on secondary evidence &#8211; tree rings, coral growth and so on. On the way back to the ancient past I&#8217;m interested in this whole idea of  a &#8216;medieval warm period&#8217; and a &#8216;little ice age&#8217;. What were they all about?</p>
<p>Then there is the continuing look at the surfacestations project. I like this one because it is really very concrete (in contrast to the vagueries of paleoclimatology!) &#8211; the question of bringing together actual measurements from many stations, with their varying quality, and drawing a meaningful overall conclusion.</p>
<p>But at the same time I&#8217;m keen to take on another small piece of the subject, one that brings together the ancient climate and the recent measurements: the Hockey Stick. The (in)famous hockey stick, which kicked of the broad public awareness of climate issues through Al Gore&#8217;s movie and lecture tour.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="hockey stick graph" src="http://apolloalliance.org/digest/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/manns-hockey-stick.gif" alt="" width="360" height="247" /></p>
<p>According to global warming proponents, it represented the best combined knowledge of the time, and <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7592575.stm">still gives a good picture</a> of overall global changes. Critics of the climate change movement propose that the graph misrepresented the data, and is a poor representation of past temperature. It is such an iconic picture, I think it is worth an explore.</p>
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		<title>lack of grace in the climate debate</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[For today, just an observation on the tone of discussion. It often shows immaturity and lack of grace to one another. That probably makes the individuals dishing it out feel great and important. But it makes them look arrogant, small minded and, ultimately, stupid to the rest of us who aren&#8217;t &#8216;party members&#8217; as it [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=111&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>For today, just an observation on the tone of discussion. It often shows immaturity and lack of grace to one another. That probably makes the individuals dishing it out feel great and important. But it makes them look arrogant, small minded and, ultimately, stupid to the rest of us who aren&#8217;t &#8216;party members&#8217; as it were.</p>
<p>The example that has caught my eye will be an old chestnut for long-time climate watchers, but is interesting to newcomers like me.</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/">Anthony Watts</a> is a blogger (now joined by some 10 contributers), a former meteorologist in California and a climate change sceptic. Weather is not global climate, but it is clearly a related field, so one can understand Watts being interested in the subject.</p>
<p>Now Watts, as a good meteorologist, is interested in the methods of reading local temperatures. He directed his scepticism of global readings of temperature at the methodology of the readings from around the USA. He inspected some of the official measuring stations and found that they were very close to human made features that may compromise the temperature readings. Some were practically within reach of air conditioning units, others were receiving reflected heat from large concreted surfaces. Watts co-opted volunteers to check weather stations all around the USA, and they reported back similar findings in many cases. The results were collated at <a href="http://www.surfacestations.org/">http://www.surfacestations.org/</a>. Here is a clear chart of their results:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="surface stations result" src="http://www.surfacestations.org/images/Watts_fig23.png" alt="" width="503" height="385" /></p>
<p>So for 61% of the stations they looked at, the readings could be 5 degrees or more in error because of the micro environment in which the thermometer was situated. When you see photos like this, you can see why:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="measurement station example" src="http://www.surfacestations.org/images/Roseburg_OR_USHCN.jpg" alt="" width="384" height="288" /></p>
<p>And there are lots of photos like that. It throws in doubt the temperature record for these stations.</p>
<p>As always, I won&#8217;t question the data crunching &#8211; that is a task I&#8217;m happy to leave to others. But on the surface this seems like a fair enough question: is the warming trend data compromised by the large proportion of ill-sited thermometers? My gut says yes of course it is.</p>
<p>It seems the answer is &#8230; no, the global surface measures are pretty dang good despite those stations.</p>
<p>The surfacestations group classed only some 70 measuring stations (fairly evenly peppered across the USA) as being of the highest quality. That is about 2% of stations. Sounds gloomy. So a test was done, comparing the results from only those stations with the readings from all stations (corrected as they have always been by an algorithm). The result:</p>
<p><a href="http://climateprogress.org/2009/07/07/noaa-ncdc-is-the-us-temperature-record-reliable-deniers-anthony-watts-surfacestationsorg/"><img class="alignnone" title="surfacestations corrected graph" src="http://climateprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ncdc-temp.gif" alt="" width="450" height="318" /></a></p>
<p>No practical difference.</p>
<p>And here it is (same result) in video format by Peter Sinclair:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/lack-of-grace-in-the-climate-debate/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/npGadYtyWEI/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>NOW HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING.</p>
<p>Which side to start with. On the &#8216;warming&#8217; side, both that video and the site you can click through to from the graph are &#8230; <em>gloating</em>, I think you could describe it as, in their &#8216;victory&#8217;. Hey, I&#8217;m with them on the data. Seems good. But hey, it was a good question, and a research project contributed to by a large grassroots group. A hypothesis: Poor measurement mechanisms compromise the data. Tested. Shown false. But don&#8217;t go s***ing on the group that did the work of setting up a good question. We were all doing reasonable science until then.</p>
<p>Ok. But Watts doesn&#8217;t have clean hands in this either. When the video went up, <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/climate-crock-anthony-watts-scrubs-youtube-video">Watts complained to YouTube</a> and had it taken down for infringing and/or circumventing copyrighted works. There&#8217;s a short clip from a movie up front. Was it that? Was it the interview with Watts? No call for the take-down, and soon enough it was back. But that wasn&#8217;t science either. It looked pretty bad.</p>
<p>Once again a case, <em>from both sides</em> of More Heat Than Light. Euf.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, so this is the story that has been a part of my folklore: we humans think we are pretty big and bad and that we can do things to change the climate of the earth. But hey, if you want to see Big, look at a volcanic eruption &#8211; one of those will put [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=102&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Ok, so this is the story that has been a part of my folklore: we humans think we are pretty big and bad and that we can do things to change the climate of the earth. But hey, if you want to see Big, look at a volcanic eruption &#8211; one of those will put more junk into the atmosphere than a whole year of human emissions. That sounds true, and there is part of me that wants to believe it &#8211; we are very self centred as a species. We think that the world revolves around us. It&#8217;s about time we respected the power of the Earth a little more. That&#8217;s the heart message of that factoid for me.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s the evidence of the figures? Is it true?</p>
<p>So here is the sucker punch visualisation to that idea:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frankodwyer.com/blog/?p=229"><img class="alignnone" title="volcano co2 output" src="http://www.frankodwyer.com/blog/imgs/volcanoes_century_co2.jpg" alt="" width="550" height="284" /></a></p>
<p>Remember again I&#8217;m not totally focused on the precise accuracy of the graphs, more the messages they give. Is that evil, not to care about accuracy? Well, yes, I guess it is. Accuracy is absolutely vital. But there is more to it &#8211; given accuracy in the data, there is still a world of storytelling in the way that data is presented. Tell me the figures are way off and we will see how that changes the story.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Toba? It&#8217;s the biggest volcanic eruption in the last 100,000 years. And why is it there? Because here you can see that on its best day Toba couldn&#8217;t hold a candle to human emissions for a day:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.frankodwyer.com/blog/?p=229"><img class="alignnone" title="volcano toba co2" src="http://www.frankodwyer.com/blog/imgs/volcanoes_daily_co2.jpg" alt="" width="492" height="258" /></a></p>
<p>So why is this factoid stuck in my consciousness? And in the consciousness of most everyone I&#8217;ve asked?</p>
<p><a href="http://cce.890m.com/intro/">Here is a good story</a> of the background. I haven&#8217;t retraced each step of his research, but it makes sense. Tell me it ain&#8217;t so. It runs like this:</p>
<p>In 1992 Rush Limbaugh wrote a book which claimed that</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines spewed forth more than a thousand times the amount of ozone-depleting chemicals in one eruption than all the fluorocarbons manufactured by wicked, diabolical, and insensitive corporations in history.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Rush Limbaugh is an influential voice, and this idea gained currency among his audience, and got slightly changed and elaborated as it was heard and repeated.</p>
<p>And what of the claim itself? Well it relies on a book by Dixy Lee Ray, a marine biologist and former head of the USA Atomic Energy Commission. Only, Ray didn&#8217;t write about Mt Pinatubo &#8211; she wrote about Mt St Augustine, which erupted in 1976 in Alaska, saying it</p>
<blockquote><p><em>injected 289 billion kilograms of hydrochloric acid directly into the stratosphere. That amount is 570 times the total world production of chlorine and fluorocarbon compounds in the year 1975.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds impressive anyway. And what source did she rely on? She relied on a David Johnston paper. Only Johnston wasn&#8217;t talking about Mt St Augustine &#8211; he was writing about a volcano that formed the Long Valley Caldera in California <em>700,000 years ago</em>. Now <em>that</em> volcano put out a lot of just about everything. If you had been around at that time I think you would have had more problems than calculating the CO2 output! Johnston did talk about Mt St Augustine, and estimated it put out 17 to 36 percent of 1975 world production of chlorine in CFCs. A significant amount, but still a contribution to a single year, not a continuous output, as in the case of humans.</p>
<p>Here is the magnitude of that error:</p>
<p><a href="http://cce.890m.com/intro/"><img class="alignnone" title="volcano emission error" src="http://cce.890m.com/introduction/images/long-valley-augustine.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="275" /></a></p>
<p>Now there&#8217;s an error of magnitude!</p>
<p>So it worked something like this:</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-103" title="volcano factoid" src="http://moreheatthanlight.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/volcano-factoid.png?w=655&#038;h=326" alt="volcano factoid" width="655" height="326" />So that&#8217;s the story of how it got into my head, and maybe yours. Maybe that&#8217;s not all there is to the story? Maybe there is another one? That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m interested to hear!</p>
<p>Once more, another version of a factoid-killing visualisation:</p>
<p><a href="http://cce.890m.com/intro/"><img class="alignnone" title="volcano co2 vs human co2" src="http://cce.890m.com/introduction/images/humans-volcanoes2.jpg" alt="" width="392" height="284" /></a></p>
<p>Lastly, looking around this series of tubes that is the internet, this factoid is really a bit of a soft target. Skeptical people are not putting it high on the skepticism list, and if you look for the claim and counterclaim, you will mainly find sites loudly putting forth the fact that human emissions dwarf the volcanoes. That&#8217;s fine, and I&#8217;m glad, but I&#8217;m nonetheless fascinated that it has been such a persistent piece of background knowledge. It is a &#8217;sticky&#8217; factoid.</p>
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		<title>the human contribution</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are a couple of graphs that have been exercising my mind for a few days.

Together they present a pretty simple proposition. First, that water vapour is by far the most important greenhouse gas, far outweighing CO2, and second, that even if CO2 is an important factor, the human contribution is very minor.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here are a couple of graphs that have been exercising my mind for a few days.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html"><img class="alignnone" title="human contribution to co2" src="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image270f.gif" alt="" width="363" height="323" /></a><a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html"><img class="alignnone" title="co2 proportion" src="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image270b.gif" alt="" width="257" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>Together they present a pretty simple proposition. First, that water vapour is by far the most important greenhouse gas, far outweighing CO2, and second, that even if CO2 is an important factor, the human contribution is very minor.</p>
<p>It is a simple story, and, on the surface, it throws doubt on the importance of the human CO2 contribution to greenhouse gases. It seems that humans could cut CO2 emissions entirely, or double them, and neither would have much impact. What could be clearer?</p>
<p>Lets start with the second graph first.</p>
<p>The trouble here is one of over-simplification. Now I&#8217;m all for simple storytelling, The trouble arises when you don&#8217;t find your way to simplicity through the natural complexity of the situation.</p>
<p>In this case the pie graph is using the wrong mental picture of CO2 in the system. It is shown here as if, over a period of time, the systems of the earth put out an amount of CO2, of which the human contribution is a small part. Simple story. Done deal.</p>
<p>A better picture is <a href="http://scentofpine.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/faq-co2_percentages/">a balancing scale</a>.</p>
<p>CO2 is given out on one side of the balance, and taken in on the other. In the long history of the planet there are systems which emit CO2 and systems that absorb it.CO2 doesn&#8217;t just disappear (at least not for a hundred years or so, left to its own devices). So any extra emissions of carbon into the system &#8211; any &#8217;special causes&#8217;, like human emissions, or volcanoes or whatever, hang about. In the case of a volcanoes it happens once, at the time of the eruption (and even then, it&#8217;s not a large amount &#8211; more of that another time). In the case of humans, our contribution this year hangs about, and is added to during next year, and the year after, and the year after. And soon our &#8217;small&#8217; contribution adds up to a good bit more than a hill of beans. That is the perspective missing from the pie graph.</p>
<p>And what of the first graph, which suggests that CO2 isn&#8217;t very significant anyway?</p>
<p>Again, a simple graph is good, but without context you miss some of the picture. I&#8217;ve not yet seen a clear explanation of the interaction of different greenhouse gasses, and a definitive contribution from each. But from what I can see, water vapour does play a significant role as a greenhouse gas, and that the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere rises and falls with the temperature. That means that it acts as an amplifier of warming. If rising CO2 levels drive a greenhouse effect, then warming of the atmosphere will give rise to more water vapour, further strengthening the greenhouse effect.</p>
<p>Note that here I haven&#8217;t seen any argument for the strength for any particular gas as a primary driver for greenhouse warming. And it would seem that if water vapour simply acts as a greenhouse amplifer, then it would be a one way street &#8211; as things get warmer, there is more water vapour, so things get warmer&#8230; and so on. There must be more to it! For example that more water vapour means more clouds, which tend to cool the earth by reflecting the sun&#8217;s energy. Just to say, it is a complex picture and we need to make appropriate visualisation if we are to understand the dimensions of the complexity. And again to say, that although Mr Google is my friend, he is not handing me a flood of clear visualisation from the consensus of climate scientists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>factoids and propositions</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;d like to make a category of &#8216;factoids&#8217; and &#8216;propositions&#8217;.
Factoids are bits of &#8216;knowledge&#8217; that have become fokelore, which are often accepted as fact but which may or may not be true. Not quite urban legends, which are generally untrue, with no basis in truth. Factoids seem sometimes to have a grain of truth, or [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=87&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I&#8217;d like to make a category of &#8216;factoids&#8217; and &#8216;propositions&#8217;.</p>
<p>Factoids are bits of &#8216;knowledge&#8217; that have become fokelore, which are often accepted as fact but which may or may not be true. Not quite urban legends, which are generally untrue, with no basis in truth. Factoids seem sometimes to have a grain of truth, or may have a mixed up history, where they refer to something real but are incorrect in their current use. Or they may actually be true, but the reasoning for them has been lost.</p>
<p>They are peppered throughout all parts of climate change discussion. Things that you just hear in passing and take in almost without thinking.</p>
<p>Factoid: Volcanoes put out more CO2 than all human emissions.</p>
<p>Factoid: Farting cows is a big deal in terms of methane, a dangerous greenhouse gas.</p>
<p>Factoid: It was de rigeur in the 1970s to predict catastrophic global cooling.</p>
<p>Factoid: Scientific consensus is well established/There is no scientific consensus.</p>
<p>Factoid: Sea levels are rising/Sea levels are not rising.</p>
<p>Propositions are something stronger. Mini hypotheses if you like. Claims, arguments. Factoids need historical unravelling, tracing the steps of the story. Propositions need testing.</p>
<p>Proposition: Evidence that CO2 historically lags temperature changes disproves CO2 in the atmosphere as a significant driver of climate change.</p>
<p>Proposition: Human CO2 emissions are far too small in proportion to natural CO2 emissions to play a big role in rising CO2 levels.</p>
<p>More factoids and propositions to come. Meanwhile, I&#8217;ll get to checking up on some of these ones.</p>
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		<title>a consensus divide</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a graph that gets down to some of the problem in the climate change discussion.

The aim of the study behind it is to measure how strong scientific consensus is about the causes of global warming. The researchers asked some simple questions in a web based survey. They asked for yes/no/not sure responses to these [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=moreheatthanlight.wordpress.com&blog=8626459&post=79&subd=moreheatthanlight&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Here&#8217;s a graph that gets down to some of the problem in the climate change discussion.</p>
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<p>The aim of <a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009EO030002.shtml">the study behind it</a> is to measure how strong scientific consensus is about the causes of global warming. The researchers asked some simple questions in a web based survey. They asked for yes/no/not sure responses to these 2 questions.</p>
<p>1. When compared with pre- 1800s levels, do you think that mean global temperatures have generally risen, fallen, or remained relatively constant?</p>
<p>2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?</p>
<p>Note that they asked only scientists. The general public data comes from a 2008 Gallup web poll. So the comparison is indicative at best. But the interesting thing is the large gap between general public (lack of) consensus about climate change causes, and the strong scientific consensus.</p>
<p>If this is the case, it seems that this scientific community is doing a poor job of bringing the community along with them. And I have to say from my poking around the web so far that seems to be the case to me. The case for human initiated warming is generally presented in over simplified terms, or in overly complicated papers. In comparison, sceptical arguments are often presented in simple terms. Note, that is no indication of the strength of evidence in either case. You could say that the simple sceptical arguments are simple because there is little to them. Or that the complications of the human initiated change case is hubris.</p>
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